GetDrunk Vs KausFiles - Voting For McCain
From Slate’s Kaus Files:
Coulter vs. Kausfiles
Should conservatives really vote for McCain?
By Mickey Kaus
Thursday, Sept. 11, 2008Looking into a crowd for your friends: Matt Lewis agrees that McCain is much more likely to enact “comprehensive immigration reform” than Obama. … Have all the conservatives who plan to “get drunk and vote for McCain” thought hard about this?
‘Get Drunk’ responds:
Even assuming McCain were more likely to enact “comprehensive immigration reform” than Obama, the difference is between a 10% chance and a 9.99999% chance.
Meanwhile, Obama is more likely to jump-start Islamic terrorism by rapidly withdrawing from Iraq and insanely sending more troops to Afghanistan and bombing Pakistan. In a few years, it won’t matter how many illegals we have — they’ll be forced to convert to Islam like the rest of us.
While McCain says he “got the message” and denies that he would push for amnesty “until the borders are secure,” Obama says he would withdraw troops immediately from Iraq here,here, and here ; says he will send more troops to the black hole of Afghanistan here, here, here; and says he will bomb our ally Pakistan here, here, and here.
So to believe that McCain is a bigger threat to America than Obama is, Kausfiles has to take the position that McCain will do what he says he won’t (sign an amnesty bill), and Obama won’t do what he says he will (withdraw from Iraq, start a disastrous ground war in Afghanistan and attack our allies).
Finally, GetDrunkandVote4McCain.com has responded to new circumstances by changing its name to: Voting4Palin.com
Kausfiles responds:
Ann Coulter responds, on behalf of getdrunkandvote4mccain.com, to the argument that conservatives should consider that McCain is more likely than Obama to actually enact “comprehensive immigration reform” with its misguided semi-amnesty for illegal immigrants. [See the little column on the right side of her blog, linked above.] Excerpt:
Even assuming McCain were more likely to enact “comprehensive immigration reform” than Obama, but the difference is between a 10% chance and a 9.99999% chance.
Meanwhile, Obama is more likely to jump-start Islamic terrorism by rapidly withdrawing from Iraq and insanely sending more troops to Afghanistan and bombing Pakistan. In a few years, it won’t matter how many illegals we have — they’ll be forced to convert to Islam like the rest of us.
I’d say the difference is more like a 50% chance of passing a semi-amnesty under McCain, compared with a 20% chance under Obama, who will have lots of other things to do and lots of Dem Congresspeople from swing districts he doesn’t want to endanger. Amnesty is irreversible, remember, as will be many of its consequences (e.g., an incentive for more illegal immigration, plus a change in the electorate, creating pressure for further amnesties, etc.). … Meanwhile I think Obama would, overall, put a damper on world terrorism by automatically and at least temporarily lowering the planet’s anti-Americanism quotient. (Even John Kerry would have done that.) … Will Obama want to go down in history as the President who snatched defeat from semi-success in Iraq? It’s a worry, I agree! But it was much more of a worry before the perception sank in among voters that the “surge” has succeeded. …
P.S.: What’s Coulter’s case against sending more troops to Afghanistan? Needs fleshing out! Coulter and the Code Pink protesters in my Venice neighborhood have more in common than I thought. …
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September 11th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
“I think Obama would, overall, put a damper on world terrorism by automatically and at least temporarily lowering the planet’s anti-Americanism quotient. (Even John Kerry would have done that.) … ”
Lovely.
Didn’t the world “LOVE” Bill Clinton? Wasn’t he president when AQ started to plan that 9/11 attacks or did AQ have some foreknowledge that Bush would be president and eventually invade Iraq thereby causing the world to hate us?
Hmmm… Kaus. This thought needs some fleshing out. I guess Kaus’s attention span has more in common with a household gnat than I thought
September 11th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
You can’t always get what you want — immigrant sympathizers can’t get immediate citizenship for these 11 million immigrants, and anti-illegal agitants can’t get them all kicked out. This is not an issue where you can please anyone, let alone everyone. The best we can hope for is a productive middle ground.
McCain just pulled ahead in Colorado and New Mexico, and has a better shot in Nevada and Florida, because he has “gained ground among Hispanics” as reported by Rasmussen (go check today’s update). While Hispanics aren’t necessarily entirely swayed by immigration debates, it clearly helps McCain that his track record shows he is willing to break ranks with conservatives in the interest of Latinos who want to become American, many of whom are the relatives of Latinos registered to vote even if their status isn’t legal yet!
There’s no way McCain will win this election without Latinos supporting him, and if you can just get past the immigration issues, millions of Latinos are 100% in agreement with the Republican party. It’s called compromise. We have to do it, or the Republicans have no future. Sorry but that’s how it goes.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
“P.S.: What’s Coulter’s case against sending more troops to Afghanistan? Needs fleshing out! Coulter and the Code Pink protesters in my Venice neighborhood have more in common than I thought. …”
Why don’t we ask the Russians how that ‘troop surge’ in Afganistan worked out for them.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Latinos4JohnnyMac, I understand where you’re coming from but as someone who was almost killed by a drunk illegal and I also lost the baby I was carrying after going through 4 previous IVF attempts and getting “lucky” on 5, I don’t get it. Sorry, I have no respect for those who come here illegally. I have no problems if they’d come like others who wait but they don’t. BTW, they’re not all from Mexico, the one who nearly killed me was from Germany.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
I’m definitely with Catie on this one.
Latinos4JohnnyMac, please don’t threaten us with what you think is our ONLY choice: “We have to do it, or the Republicans have no future. Sorry but that’s how it goes.” Things don’t work that way with people of principle. If you think you can hold hostage our win this November with your view of a monolithic Latino voting bloc, you’re working from a flawed position: not all Latino’s think alike. The ones I know (here in Florida) are disgusted with their illegal “brothers”, and are even more adament to clean up this cancerous problem. I’m with them.
Apparently, you think you’re talking to a bunch of country club Republicans, here, at Ann Coulter’s site. Get this straight: We are a people who would rather lose on principle than compromise on our way to the gallows. And if you think we don’t understand what “compromise” means, you apparently haven’t listened to our cries about our cultural decay since the New Deal was enacted, or the many amnesty decrees, war on poverty, and erection of sanctuary cities that followed. The notion of “compromise” didn’t start just because Latinos are breaking our laws.
What Ann says concerning the chances of having this problem cleaned up is right. Perhaps you need to put yourself in the shoes of Americans like us, who live a life of playing by the rules, delaying middle class security for decades while we work ourselves to that point. We don’t break multiple immigration laws, commit social security fraud, then abuse the emergency rooms of our hospitals to the point of bankrupting this great nation. We also don’t take to the streets en masse’, shaking our fists at those whose laws we broke, demanding to be forgiven to the point of amnesty. We have more care for The American Way. We’ve invested too much to get to this point.
I wish that South American nations had a similar history of Liberty and sacrafice, so that the notion of ‘the rule of law’ would actually mean something to them. Which South American nations tore themselves apart over slavery like we did? Which of them sent their countrymen to liberate entire continents? Beacause most of these nations exist in near anarchy and chronic corruption at the highest and lowest levels, their people don’t understand people like me and traditional Americans.
I have a father or uncle in EVERY war this great nation has faught in since the Revolutionary War, yet I’m the first to get to go to college in 200 years. Me and millions like me aren’t willing to listen to Johnny-Come-Lately’s try to threaten what we’ve sacraficed for generations to achieve. “Don’t Tread On Me” means more than just a warning to government tyranny. It is also a warning to invading criminals.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Sorry Clown–Oh, thank you! Sometimes I feel like carrying copies of “Charlie Wilson’s War” with me and passing them out to my liberal friends who proclaim we need to be i Afghanistan. It’s the only way they’ll get it.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
I can’t imagine Amnesty being anything less than the absolute highest priority for an incoming Obama Administration (not the ridiculously low figure of 20% cited by Kaus), for the simple reason Kaus himself gives: “Amnesty is irreversible.” Once in place, there will be millions of instant democrat voters and millions more on the way. At that point, the dems can kick up their heels — we will have a one-party state whose closest analogue would be 1936 America. Why would democrats dawdle on that?
Kaus is generally a very good and objective commentator on the whole illegal immigration business, arguably the most crucial security issue we face. But I think he is way off base on this one. At the very least, he needs to clarify himself.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
JG –”Apparently, you think you’re talking to a bunch of country club Republicans, here, at Ann Coulter’s site. Get this straight: We are a people who would rather lose on principle than compromise on our way to the gallows.”
I was going to say “I’d rather be right and lose, than wrong and win”, but yours is much better.
YCIH–Liberals don’t REALLY want to be in Afganistan either. They would prefer to discuss AQ’s “problems” with the US over some nice tea. Maybe the really would ‘arrest’ a few the ‘really, really bad ones’ (I doubt it) but only after they read them their ‘rights’
“We should have been focused on Afganistan” is just something they say to make it APPEAR they are “tough”.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Sorry Clown: “I was going to say “I’d rather be right and lose, than wrong and win”, but yours is much better.”
Thanks, man. You are completely right about their disguise of being “tough” by trying to focus on Afghanistan. After their MANY years of pacifist cowardice, who can be fooled by them still?
I was happy to see that you are also a native of sw Va. in the recent post here. What part do you hail from?
September 11th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Um…I am actually in the ‘occupied’ part of Virginia.
Fairfax/Prince William County area.
Some of us are still “God Fearing and Gun-Clinging”, so don’t hold my NoVA address against me
September 11th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
“Some of us are still “God Fearing and Gun-Clinging”, so don’t hold my NoVA address against me”
Lol… funny.
Unfortunately, your NOVA/Chesapeak compadres have all but taken over Virginia’s voting bloc. I’ve often thought that the state needs another divide, besides the one 150 years ago resulting in West Va. My goal would be to slice off everything from Charlottesville eastward, and call it “East Virginia.” From Staunton westward, we would retain the moniker, Virginia.
Just a silly dream, of course. :-)
September 11th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Well I am also in PWC and actually I still vote in Hampton Roads-where I lived for 14 years until I met my husband who was stationed in GA, at Fort Stewart. I will call tomorrow to see if it’s too late to change to my new home.
John, there’s so many retired military in the Hampton Roads area, I thought that it still went Republican? I know my idiot retired Navy pilot cousin is a liberal but he used to be one of the few and I dated a guy in his sqaudron that couldn’t stomach him and it pretty much put the kabosh on our relationship when he found out he was my cousin.
I have to take my daughter to Kluge every Thursday for therapy and once I start getting into Charlottesville proper, if I had a dime for every Obummer sign on a car, I could pay for my gas. Today I saw a sticker that said “who’d wed jen bush?”. Nice.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Indiana has an immigration problem as well http://michigantaxes.com/wordpress/?p=89 sorry in advance for my gratuitous plug for a story written under the influence..
September 11th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
Jason, I was raised in “the region” of NW Indiana. For some reason I couldn’t open the link.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Tried it again here… strange.. let me know if you continue to have a problem, then lll have to develop a conpiracy theory about the truth not being allowed out.
September 12th, 2008 at 4:06 am
ok ..please let my head spin so I dont feel so fricking stupid……………….in other words….make me dizzy so I cant think straight….
India has an american jobs way of life… ..give jobs to india problem…(as I try to make a hotel reservation but cant FRICKING understand the person who is making $1.00 dollar per hour..make my reservation…………..the SAD thing is..I could care less who makes my reservation …..if i could fricking understand themj……but I cant.why?…..tell me..please..why I have no idea what they are saying….and it IS NOT because I AM AS STUPID AS bob…………jm….OR sm
WHO HERE VOTES FOR GLOBAL WARMING?
I NEED A VOTE
September 12th, 2008 at 4:08 am
OK i AM SIMPLY A REP …LOL
September 12th, 2008 at 4:10 am
I am quit simply doinjg Republican talking points………………………….
September 12th, 2008 at 6:54 am
Jason, it finally went. Sometimes when I click on links, it get nothing but when I copy it, it goes. But I’m the first to say computers are not always my friend. ;)
September 12th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Todd, if your spoken English is as poor as your written comments above I believe the problem is that the person in India taking your reservation can’t understand you!
September 14th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
One of Palin’s major lies during her convention speech was that “straight talkin” Juan McCain was not the kind of candidate who would say one thing to please one group of potential supporters and a completely different thing when addressing another group of say illegal aliens. On June 18th , 2008 Juan McCain appeared before a group of Reconquista supporters at The Drake Hotel and said said “I was proud to work for Comprehensive Immigration Reform and if I am elected President I assure you that in 2009 I will ask Congress to pass Comprehensive Immigration Reform.” (The illegal alien crowd goes wild…)”It is a Federal Responsibility” he said and continued ” we also need a temporary guest worker program”
http://www.freerepublic.com/fo.....3264/posts
Juan McCain joined forces with the racist hate group LaRaza over 25 years ago when he was still a congressman. Tommy Espinoza, who is CEO of The Raza Development Fund is godfather to Juan and Cindy McCain’s son Jimmie.
As the affirmative action candidate, Black Muslim Barak Obama poses much less security risk than the LaRaza MALDEF candidate Juan McCain. The only known terrorist directly linked to Barak Obama. is Ted Kennedy. ( Ted Kennedy is on Homeland Security’s no-fly list). Juan McCain also has direct ties to traitors like Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Joe Lieberman. As an affirmative action appointment, Barak Obama will be as useless as Ray Nagin. Marion Berry or Kwame Kilpatrick. Obama might pardon fellow muslim / arab con-man Tony Rezko and some of Michelle black panther friends but thats about it. The rest of the time he will be doing drugs with his fellow black politicians, preaching black power/ white hatred with Jeremiah Wright and sending millions of taxpayers dollars to phony foundations set up by Jesse Jackson and al Sharpton.